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Harry,………You think I have a closed mind lol, however you were the one that said we need to put an immediate stop to MTR. Don’t you think that statement qualify’s as closed minded?
I would love to discuss this issue with you. I’m still waiting for you guy’s and gal’s to answer my questions. How do we replace coal? Someone said get a green job. Where are the green jobs in W.Va and KY.?
I think of myself as a realist. What you guy’s are proposing to do is not realistic and cannot happen overnight without dire consequences.
Mari…………..I’m sure you gave everyone a chance to contribute, but evidently most of it ended up on the cuting room floor.
Again…..You are convicting Massey before the investigation ever started. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Did you check and see what each and every violoation was?
MSHA or State officals can and do shut down mines if conditions warrant.
I’ve seen reports in the local newspapers of health inspection where restaurants did not recieve passing marks and had to be re-inspected at a later date, and they were not closed down. it would be interesting to back three or four years on these establishment and see how many violations the have had. What about the number of violation from harvestiing to when it arrived at the restaurant, really we have no idea what our food has been through.
My, my, my a little thin skined aren’t we? I thought by you being a film maker you would be use to criticism, but I guess not. To answer your question yes I watched your movie, how else would I know it was bais trash, hey I call them as I see them.
IMO you let the enviro’s streach the truth beyond the norm, but hey your an enviro yourself, so what more could one expect.
I know out West the government leases land for mining many different minerals including coal, gas and oil. The Corp of Engineers will take land for lakes and highways, but not for solely mining coal. I’m not aware of any coal company in Appalachia leasing government land. Where is this land?
2010/05/11 at 10:18 am
I do think I made a “balanced ” film and Randy Maggard contributed his opinions as did many others . I gave everyone a chance to tell their stories.
RE UBB: Men did loose their lives, and Massey did ignore safety rules and people were shocked to learn of the many safety violations that were exposed. I did not say Massey was directly responsible, that is for FBI and MSHA investigators.
I know for sure I don’t eat at a restaurant with 500 violations–Federal and State laws require them to be shut down. I worked at a restaurant and I know that health violations will result in closing. Why is it not that way for coal mines?
I do not know who you work for, nor do I really care. When you call my film bias trash, then you have no credibility with me. THERE is no NARRATION. Have you seen the film? Are you saying the coal company or the environmentalists are lying? As for making Coal Country, I could not be prouder of this film. Thank you.
Eminent domain is a law where the government can appropriate private property. In areas of Appalachia, the coal companies are leasing the land , acquired by eminent domain by the Corp of Engineers for mining. That is not what the law intends but it is a loop hole being used now.
2010/05/11 at 10:01 am
Wow, Randy… I’m mean Walt, you wrote quite a novel here, since I last posted. I guess arguing with you is pointless. You’ve got an answer for everything, and believe that you are right in everything. That is the stamp of a closed minded individual.
Definition: “lacking tolerance or flexibility or breadth of view; “a brilliant but narrow-minded judge”; “narrow opinions”.
There is no discussion here, just preaching. Good job, Pastor Killjoy!
You determine what I’m thinking, making judgments on me. Why? Because you can’t help it. Case closed. Closed mind. Educated in everything but how to debate.
Thinking like yours will be the end of human evolution. Fortunately, there are other people who don’t live in the dark ages, and are dreamers of a world where we don’t accept poison for our breakfast, lunch and dinner.
I admit my mistakes, and try to learn. I know the world isn’t perfect, at least until humans showed up. I admit that you have some points that merit discussion. However, it’s obvious that you would never open yourself up to new thinking, because you have your mind made up.
I pity closed minded superior thinking people who accept horror as being inevitable.
2010/05/10 at 6:16 pm
i am a coal miner, coal feeds my family, and i would really like to keep working to support my family so those of you who do not live in these mountains, please leave us alone, we dont start protest about all the paper your company uses and the forests that are destroyed for you all to write on or print out on this paper so if your not from here focus your opinions on how to live in your own communities
I grew up in “your mountains” and we give a crap about trying to save them from being blown up. Maybe you don’t realize it yet, but even in China, it’s “your community” because eventually it’s all going to catch up to you. We’re on the side of safety for the miners, and finding new ways to get you a new way of life that benefits you. Not one that kills you, and your grandchildren. You may be making money now, but it’s a unsustainable future. So if you’re worried about your grand kids… educate yourself. I don’t know any miner that isn’t worried about his safety. I’d love to know what mine you work in. I know that miners can’t say a dang thing because they value their jobs.
2010/05/09 at 9:04 pm
Who is taking who’s land?
What if a person owns both surface and mineral or just surface rights and want their property mined, and left in an useful manner, isn’t that their right to have it mined. I thought you guys were fighting for the land owner. These people you speak of, weren’t they told that they were only buying the surface rights. If not who’s fault was that, you can’t blame the coal company for that.
The majority of company owned mineral rights including gas, oil and coal were purchased from the individual owners prior to WWII.
Emenent domain is a law where the government can appropriate private property. Coal companies can not use emenent domain to purchase private property.
2010/05/09 at 8:44 pm | In reply to cleven.
Your right it does take two to talk, now answer this question. How can anyone have a dialogue when one side will not accept anything less than shutting down the industry? You and I both know that is your intent nothing more nothing less.
MSHA has always been in the coal fields. Where is the FBI?
Coal’s intimidation, that’s laughable? Who’s been caught tresspassing? Who’s been caught breaking into business and hanging banners? Who’s barges into office buildings and chainging themselves to the doors? So who is trying to intimidate who? My suggestion for you is to look into the mirror.
Where are the green jobs? or What are the green jobs? Gee whiz guy if they’re out there let everyone know, I don’t know if your awaret or not but umemployment is around 10%. Sorry that was my mistake I forgot you’re probably not aware of that sort of thing, guessing that you don’t work and more than likely never had.
Why don’t you get a job any job, green or not I don’t care then you can pay your taxes like the other 50% that do.
2010/05/09 at 6:45 pm | In reply to WV hollergirl.
If you must know I was born in Eastern Kentucky, in a mining community and still live there today. So I am very familar with the going’s on in mining communities. I don’t necessarily believe the 5% you quote, but also realize where you get you info.
“Quailty of life, lifes in dangered’ Again your reading straight from the enviro’s handbook. Property values in E Ky. increased significantly during the 80′s, 90′s and 00′s because of MTR, maybe you should check with the local PVA’s instead of reading out of the handbook.
Nope all of the land owners I’ve talked to still live right here, some have built new homes others use it for farming or what ever they want to.
This Dr. you speak of has proved this? How many studies over the years have proved things only to be refuted later, so what makes you think this is any different. How are children being poisoned?
Here’s a question for you, enviro’s are backing the new florescent light bulbs, you know the ones that contain mercury, because they use less energy,…….by the way aren’t you guy’s compaining about mercury levels being to high. So are you more concerned about everyones health or saving a litttle energy?
Once upon a time “peer reviewed” may have ment something but not today, these people just say I’ll review your book if you review mine. A good example would be all of the global warming freaks out there weren’t their books/studies peer reviewed. In case you missed it google climate gate it’s some good reading.
2010/05/09 at 6:13 pm | In reply to mari-lynn evans.
I have several friends and neighbors who either work or have worked for Massey, and overwhelming majority of them have postive comments concerning Massey’s mines. I have to wonder why would they take down line curtaiins after they’re already hung, wouldn’t that waste more time than to leave them hanging wouldn’t that cut into their production time. Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of your comment?
Mari you said you wanted to make a fair movie about the coal industry, now your say that 29 men lost their lives due to Massey’s ignoring safety rules and greed. Let me remind you that the investigation has not started and your already tried and convicted Massey. What do you say we let the investigation take it’s course and if Massey is guilty then they should be punished, but not before.
Your comment about eating at a restaurant with 500 violation, well how do you know your not. Whenever you go into restaurant do you ask to see their violation history for the past three or four years? I doubt it.
When you purchased your car did you check the violation history of the auto maker or previous owner? Again I doubt it.
You and Harry have both insinuated that I work for a coal company, well if you must know I do not, however my company does some work for the coal industry as well as others. I realize that if coal were to disappear from our economy the majority of the smaller buisness would also disappear.
What’s really heartbreaking is to see people such as youself, promote such bias trash as coal country, all you are doing is spreading misiniformation. I personally overheard you tell people in Charleston WV. that you wanted to make a true unbiased documentary then later learned that your project was funded by the Serria Club. IMO you lied to many people, I just hope your proud of yourself.
2010/05/09 at 5:37 pm | In reply to Citizen Harry.
Harry…..I’ll give you credit where credit is do, at least you used a reasonable depth of 200 feet, most enviro’s still claim 800-1000 feet of mountaintops are being removed.
Bear dens,…..did you say bear dens lol, and just how many have been destroyed 1 or maybe 2? Since your so concernend about the wildlife I assume that you want everyone to become vegetarians, that would also take care of hunters. I’m sure you also want everyone to stop driving cars since they kill millions of animals annually, let’s not forget about airplanes, how many times do flocks of birds fly into those huge enginees. I know we can all use windmills,…..no they also kill birds, and we have to install new power lines. Well I guess we will have to rely on solar power,…..but don’t these huge solar farms harm your little critters and guess what they also require new power lines. Now were down to hydro and nuclear, well if we use hydro then won’t we’ll need to build huge dams, and I know how you guy’s feel about the small one’s that coal companies want to build, can you imagine all of the natural ecosystems that would be destroyed by those huge dams. I guess that leaves us with nuclear power, but wait we don’t have an approved waste disposal site in the U.S. never mind the fact that we need uranuim which has to be mined, so I guess that nuclear power is a double whammie, you need to mine uranuim and no approved waste disposal. So what do you guy’s and gal’s suggest we us to replace coal as an energy souce?
Excuse me, but on 5/5/10 didn’t you say “we are not agaiinst coal companies” and “that we want dialogue toward positive change and to put an end to MTR”. I think that sounds hyprocritical don’t you.
Once again, I must give you credit where credit is do, at least you went public with your agenda. First let’s stop surface mining, then underground coal mining, then oil and gas. Now that we are freed of all fossil what do we do. Any Idea’s?
I have several friends and family members that have worked in the UMWA, and their stories are very similar. During the 70′s and 80′s miners would strike for any reason, legit or not. I’ve heard of stories where they would strike if there was no soap in the bath house, or find some reason to strike during hunting season, they would strike if the mine up the road was on strike. There are to many stories of this nature to share here. Actions such as these helped destroy the union not Massey or Blankenship.
You may want to watch the news……MSHA and Obama have already said that the coal company is at fault before the investigation started.
2010/05/09 at 11:48 am
I loved Sen Byrd saying that mining is NOT A RIGHT. It is a privledge to be given to people who will mine responsibly. Just because you bought mineral rights generations ago for cents on the dollar, or maybe just gave someone a sewing machine along with false promises, that does not mean it is right to take that land now for MTR. Almost 80% of mineral rights in coal country is owned by coal or others. How can you expect that these companies would do anything other than mine it? Is that the best for the people? Is it best for the land? Is it best for WV? Those are the real questions. Slavery was permitted once. That did not make it right. I would be happy to discuss how land is “taken” in WV, since I have personal experiences with eminent domain. Why can people just not treat others and their land with respect? Why is money the only thing coal companies hold up as reason for the right to mine?
2010/05/09 at 11:39 am
The time for dialogue has passed. It passed when it became clear that there was never going to be dialogue on the part of the coal companies. They do not listen, they do not hear. It takes 2 to talk. But, it took UBB to bring the FBI and MSHA in to coal fields. Now, where will you all hide? Your tactics of intimidation, of greed over good may be over. Get a green job and do some constructive with your life.
2010/05/09 at 11:34 am
“Studying” is the word you are trying to spell.
2010/05/09 at 11:32 am | In reply to WV hollergirl.
I read Stella’s statements about how she loved miners and mountains. Then she says she is pro coal? I guess it may be confusing for some folks to understand that their water is being poisoned, their air ruined, their children in harm’s way, the blasting, the intimidation………. WAKE UP! Stella is no more pro coal than I am and I think I am an environmentalist. Another puppet of King Coal. King Coal, Massey, the death of miners, the death of mountains. Think again, Stella. If you love the mountains and people of Appalachia–honey, you are not pro coal. You are pro Appalachia.
2010/05/08 at 10:37 pm | In reply to Please comment on the restoration photos! – Randall Maggard « Coal Country.
Classic hypocrisy! Randall Maggard says “these are the photos the MEDIA NEVER SHOWS” The imnplication being “the media” manipulate facts to fabricate innaccurate “stories” while choosing among select images to utilize in the process of validating their biased and inaccurate viewpoint.
“Please comment on the restoration photos! – Randall Maggard SEE PHOTOS ”
2010/05/07 at 3:34 pm
Just listen to any song written about coal – they are all sad, morbid songs full of misery. The message is how bad coal is.
I find it so very ironic for pro coal folk to smugly promote coal in song.
The songs they sing are anti-coal and it is as if the pro coal singer is either “the queen of denial” or completely ignorant to the meaning in the lyrics – they are just singing words. WOW- even Parton here knows has bad coal is. She is just covering up for coal – because coal “brought her to the dance”- never mind that coal is poisoning and blasting those of us that live near coal–never mind that little children are being poisoned.
Everyone deserves a safe place to live as well as a safe work place. How dare Parton sing “These are my mountains”- Hey parton- they are blowing them up and you are supporting that.
Shame on you Parton. Why don’t you pray for us that are being blasted with 3 1/2 million pounds of explosives daily. for mountaintop removal that you support. Thanks for supporting the flooding that it causes too.
Also Parton’s figures are completely wrong on coal fired electricity- coal fired is down to 45%. Time for wind and solar.
“Come on” Randall Maggard, don’t you have “any comments” to Kevin Boyd’s question regarding effects of mountaintop strip mining on local residents health, lives, and generational heritage? While it is certainly appreciated (when it actually occurs), revegetation activities of land parcels is NOT the entirety of “reclamation”.